Speaking of Faith.Org, interview with:
Apologist Robert Millet mormon extraordanaire
Professor of Ancient Scripture and religious understanding at BYU and the foremost authority on mormonism has much to teach us.
Program Comment, 1/27/08:
Mormon-ism and the many states of grace –– "the religion making business"
I was disturbed by your interview with Robert Millet and his notion of "the religion making business." Krista Tippett sent one slow-pitch softball after another for Mr. Millet to bunt and run with. When speaking of the 1st Revelator of the Mormon Dynasty you make no mention of the basic socialist underpinnings of this Religion Making Business and from whence it came. Mormons subscribe to a socialist notion for themselves while insisting the "Gentile" population must play on a hard scrabble scrum line. You serve up little background on the Spiritualist Movement of the time with regard to influences on Joe Smith's "many visions"and revisions to his visions.

You said nothing of the Pyramid Schemes: of land dealing, counterfeit money, invasion by conquest, war and assinations; there was nothing on that famous visitation by John The Baptist along with Christ's Apostles and of course the Quid Pro Quo of trading Polygamy for territorial recognition. There was no mention of the Mormon Pigmentocracy. Why?
You let Millet wax on pre-existence and post-sustenance without touching on "the nuts and bolts of Mormon Heaven," and there are lots of bolts to be slapped home and nuts to be turned; and, for the record, there are many accountants in Mormon Heaven.
Try: http://www.scari.org/Mormon.Deconstructed.html
or http://www.scari.org/mormon-haplessness.html
The Mormon sunstone at top of page will carry you off to other places mormons may not want you to think about.
I grew up as a gentile in severe Mormon Country, southern Idaho, and I can testify to the vicious nature of the "Great Mormon Organ."
You blithely pass over such issues as the confusion of what Mormons deem what is sacred and what is secret; they are interchangeable when speaking of Mormon Rights of Passage through their bureaucracy.
What of Mormon Environmentalism? Thrity years ago, I was told by a Mormon Elder, "The Earth is like a rubber ball and will bounce back." Mormons are convinced of the same notion to this day.
My perception of the program was of a Millet, Tippett seance to sell something older than the oldest profession. Perhaps the oldest profession was the priesthood for without the shunning of prostitution, the crime would be left unpunished and unknown. Priests know this on a viseral level.
Please revisit this Business called Mormonism with an eye toward exhibiting truth, for the Mormons think they love truth; thanks to the Melchizedek Priesthood they are Members of the one True Chruch

Thank you, Gus O. Kahan

Professor Robert Millet and The Mormon Religion-making Business:
First Mormon Theolator: As in the long line of Revelators, Dr. Millet made the revelatory statement regarding his religion. "We are in the Religion Making Business" is as close to an authentic revelation as there has been uttered regarding the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. As in a Corporate Sporting event the idea is to win at any cost. Religion Making requires a team fleet of foot and a rule book that states as its first axiom; to win at any cost, it's Grow or die. Grow team grow; Team Mormon goes for the gold in the Business of making Religion for the Religion Making Business.

'We can never transcend Joseph Smith'
Robert Millet on the Religion Making Business
in his interview with Krista Tippett on 1/27/08.

Robert Millet Waxes on profligate religious promiscuity
"I don't think we can ever transcend Joseph Smith"
Ms. Tippett: But that picture, you know, could not stand in greater contrast to the picture that Mormons, Latter-day Saints — of the picture that people have of Mormon families, of Mormon communities, right? Of this, this community that you describe in the beginning, this way of life.
Mr. Millet: Well, I think that's right.
Ms. Tippett: And so I, you know, I guess I wonder is there something that happens in a religious experience — in this religious experience — where the lived religion somehow transcends this person of Joseph Smith, who, who gave rise to it?
Mr. Millet: I don't think we can ever transcend Joseph Smith or consider him to be a valued personality, but now we'll move on. I don't think you'll see that among believers in the faith, because there are too many other things that came from him that are the reasons why we do what we do and we are what we are. That there are unanswered questions, to be sure. That there are things that I'm as anxious as the next guy to learn more detail on, I really want to know. But in the interim, it really doesn't, doesn't trouble me. We're in the religion-making business, as you intimated earlier, only for a short time, I mean, compared to the Christian church, which has been at this for a couple of millennia. We're about halfway to Nicaea. And so, and so in that sense — I remember a very tender moment. I was speaking with — I've been invited to the Salt Lake Theological Seminary, basically an Evangelical seminary, to discuss a book I had done on Jesus. And they had read it, and they wanted me to come and just respond to questions. And it was, it was a very enjoyable couple of hours. The very last question that was asked by one of my friends there was this one. He said, 'Bob, what can we do for you?' And I, I wasn't ready for that question. I said, 'What do you mean?' He said, 'What can we, as Evangelicals, do for our Mormon friends?' And I, I guess my mind could have gone a hundred different ways, but what I came back with was this. I said, 'Boy, I appreciate you asking that. I don't think I've ever been asked that.' But, but I said, 'Try this. Cut us a little slack, will you? Give us a little time. We're in the religion-making business, and this takes time. It takes centuries. And, and trying to explain the faith and articulate the faith, that doesn't come over night. We've really only been about that for 20 or 30 years.'

Robert Millet makes the distinction between Mormons and Christians in a flourish of apologetics.
"We're in the religion-making business, as you intimated earlier, only for a short time, I mean, compared to the Christian church, which has been at this for a couple of millennia."
Robert Millet states to the Mormon Enemy, Evangelicals, that Mormons have decided to become Christian only in the last 20 or 30 years.
"We're in the religion-making business, and this takes time. It takes centuries. And, and trying to explain the faith and articulate the faith, that doesn't come over night. We've really only been about that for 20 or 30 years."

Robert Millet wants it both ways, he apologizes for Mormon loopiness as Mormons are juvenile and only came to Christianity lately. Mormons, having claimed the “True Faith,” after having stolen tenants and doctrine from everywhere, from Egyptology to Frontier Magic and the Torah, including Science Fiction, now Mormons claim they need several hundred more years to sort out the kinks and get it right. I guess Millet’s apology would be that ‘this Religion Making stuff is far tricker than we imagined, we just need to muck about a bit more and we’ll be as main-stream as you wish, we are only in it for the money. Gosh it’s the religion making Business and Mormon Branding just wants its Market Share.’
As I read Millet's excuses, I couldn't help but imagine him wriggling in he dust with his dog-eared Book or Mormon, wrinkling his suit while his upper lip sweats profusely.

doubters persist with the Persistence of Doubt
Professor Millet continued:
On The Religion Making Business: The Mormon Brand
If we are to read Professor Robert Millet as uttered, we would assume, the expert in 'religious understanding' has a cynical view of this world and the religions that here reside, Millet is convinced, "the Business of Religion" requires only time and a priesthood willing to go the extra mile to create authentic Mormon Businesses Modeled for Religion Making. Millet has set his stars on the Latter-day Awakenings of the Mormons, or, Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints as his brand. His faith has declared the fully reinvested church by Joseph Smith as it was intended before we humans mucked it up..
Professor Millet states as articles of faith, Mormons claim all ground not previously occupied and those spaces the"Enemy," Christian Evangelicals inhabit too.
Millet claims apologetics for theological youth as an excuse for fumbled balls and the penalties of clipping, off sides, etc. Millet pleads, "We're in the religion-making business" and only now "halfway to Nicaea," he says — referring to the fourth-century council at which the New Testament canon was finally formalized and many core Christian doctrines clarified, authoritatively, for the first time.
So Mormons have several hundred more years of fumbling around with the Religion Making Business before Mormon Deities reach maturity. With bated breath and much trembling, we can hardly wait till they get it right and pierce the veil into the radience of full theological and dogmatalogic maturity.
The Latter-day saints that have gone before have no guarantee of the afterlife expected through revelation but must wait in some sort of apostolic holding-pen till it all gets sorted out.

Evangel Nécromancier

Surf's Up for Life On Golden Plates
Mormon Deepthroat Robert Millet Redux
Google Search: "Religion Making Business"
Posted to: Life on On Golden Plates, November 25, 2009 11:49 AM

Gus O. Kahan said..
Comment on:
Mormon Perception Management
By the way, throughout your posting you chose to misidentify Robert Millet.
As long as The Mormons are committed to using unreliable narrators for spokespersons in the Religion Making Business there will be unreliable messages sent. Only the elect are able to see beyond the message sent to be divined as truth by the faithful.

Robert Millet’s comment ""We're in the religion making business," bothered me quite a bit. I'm sure the evangelicals used it as proof that it is a man-made religion.”
Even evangelicals fall prey to this axiom: From the beginning, through all time with strength in the loins, all religion is made by man –– it’s called the Religion Making Business.
And the apologetic Reply is:
“In a sense Millet is correct, we are indeed in the "religion making business" if by that he means we help shape and forge an idea of individuality and community, infusing life with meaning and direction, etc.”
Yes ‘infusing life with meaning and direction in the Religion Making Business.’
Was Millet speaking from the bowels of the Church? Was “the Religion Making Business” a gaff, or a mirror into the land of Oz?
Excuse me, but, Free Speech is fundamentally at odds with The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. From the invention of Mormonism, free speech has tangled with the Latter-Day Saints, their prophet was executed for suppression of free speech; by the destruction of the Newspaper, “Expositor” his lot was cast, and it came to pass, General Joe was consumed by hubris, the arrogance of power.
Mormon message control is losing its grip, if you search: “Religion Making Business.”
On the second page there is a curious posting by a blogger: Online cheap viagra » Blog Archive » Online cheap viagra
http://www.bloggerofjared.com/2007/04/15/the-stillbirth-of-mormon-art/
Jettboy, aka, Blogger of Jared is also, "straight and narrow blog”
http://jettboy.blogspot.com/2007_04_01_archive.html
So we have Mormon bloggers burying their posts in the Online cheap viagra » Blog Archives?
That’s one way to dump the Religion Making Business in the Mormon Utopia.
Mormon hatred of communism seems ironical as the Mormon Glue is socialist, an idealized communitarian theocracy is socialist tipping to fascism.

I appreciate your post and the concern you show for public relations in Branding Mormonism. Seems there could be a bit more care lavished on the message; the messenger will follow the script in the Religion Making Business.
Suing for peace with the Evangelicals will only lead to mischief and heartache.
GOK
November 25, 2009 11:49 AM
Millet spoke of the Plan of Salvation in conference:
"See here, we have to believe in something, why not the Mormonism Plan of salvation?"

Mormon long history of persecution
Mormons' take umbrage at the perception of being mocked, however Mormons take no interest in self scrutiny to divine the source of this sacred act, mockery that is. When mounting an indefensible preponderant of how things work, Mormons forgot to consider, perhaps, for the sake of argument, existence is still perplexing and we are making it up as we go along.  That's why "THE MORMONS" have to have a "LIVING PROPHET" so when things get sticky when moving on in time there is a fall-back position. Mormon Mockery is born from envy. Gentiles can't understand why Mormons suspend all empirical evidence to embrace ignorance; ignorance being the source of all evil (SATAN). Rational thought drops out of Mormon Tribal Theology –– It's all about FAITH.
Gentiles envy the Mormon embrace of willful ignorance; it's so easy when you don't have to think. Gentiles know it hurts to think, Mormons don't.
"You must remember, like Jews, we Mormons have a long history of persecution." The Mormon Faith requires persecution to defend against influence by rational thought and pressing reality. Mockery is part of the Mormon Brand –– part of the baggage of Mormonism, blessed by the Melchizedek Priesthood.
When having your genitals washed in the temple the priest commands, repeat after me. "Health in the navel, marrow in the bone, strength in the loins and in the sinews, power in the priesthood be upon me and upon my posterity through all generation of time and throughout all eternity forever and ever" Pay-lay-ale, Amen. Mormons insist on inviting mockery –– part of the Mormon Experience

Boyd K. Packer said:
"Some things that are true are not very useful."
As in Packer's simple statement of the Mormon Faith, Robert Millet carries on that religious tradition, "Some things that are useful are not very true." In the Religion Making Business, some things that are useful are not very true and consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds

Yoni Chockalingam

THE SALAMANDER MURDERS for God and country –– It's alright to do it but don't get caught

Mormon Branders
Mormon Branders or "the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints Marketing" has been crippled by loss of message control; to lose control of their Branding Message is problematic for the Religion Making Business and the Melchizedek Priesthood. The Mormons are still working out the kinks in "the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints Marketing Department."

Mormon Schisms

The message was the messenger: Ingeel The messenger was the message: Ingeel Agape: Pay-lay-ale "O God, hear the words of my mouth!" Whatever that means . . . TRY, Pay-lay-agu-ghe: "O God, hear the words of my mind!"

Yho-wana-skah-chi Pay-lay-ale Oah ta-na siam

MORMON Heaven
the peril and pleasure of Mormon Afterlife
Answers to be Questioned

All you need to know, the Easy Steps to the Mormon Eternal Progression
it's easy, it's fun and there are lots of papers to sign.
MORMON HEAVEN is a fairly straight forward affair, not too complicated but not too simple either. Mormons know most religions make heavenly attainment too simple to be believed.
First, in order to get into the Mormon Afterlife one must pre-exist. Pre-existence is requisite for moving forward. Once you preexist you are ready to engage in Mortal Life; for many of us this is the existential part. Mortal Life is where one learns about how to get what you want; all the other places the human spirit must go to be among the elect.
Of course as we mortals do, we die and that's when stuff really starts to happen to the Mormon Spirit..
Aside from leaving your now useless mortal body, your spirit is shunted onto a new body that looks just like the old one but also just like all others too. You float down the long cloudy hall to one of two doors.
There is the Fast Track –– Spirit Paradise
If luck is with you, and your report card is a 'C' or above, your spirit moves directly to Spirit Paradise and Righteousness.
There is the Slow Track –– Spirit Prison
If you're not so lucky and Mormon Spirit Spies rat on you, you are shunted to Spirit Prison, Unrighteousness, which for many is not fun and requires many examinations by frowning Spirit Testers challenging your faith, but with perfect obedience, one can rebound from this setback. This is likened to Purgatory for evangelicals. For most Mormons this may condemn one to the Kingdom of the Devil.
But where do we go from there?
So either in Spirit Paradise or Spirit Prison there is a lot of waiting and tribulation until the
Spirit Examiners decide to pronounce the FINAL JUDGMENT.
When judged worthy, one passes through the veil into Mormon Afterlife. One is rematerialized into flesh and blood to propagete beings on other solar systems with the requisite spirit wife (wives).
Comprised of several Kingdoms, depending on the mood of the Spirit Examiners, one can expect one of three prized positions in Mormon Heaven.
1st. Celestial Kingdom: a cool place and nothing to sneer at. Many mormons are here and they are relieved and happy with their lot to be cast as part of the placement at all.
2nd. Terrestial Kingdom: a very groovy kingdom with lots of clouds and glitter. Most Mormons here in the Middle Kingdom, a contrived space between the two other heavens designed to comfort the Lumpen folk..
3rd. Telestial Kingdom: a very elevated space in space with many Select Mormons and lots of clouds, but on a clear day you can see forever. Once obtained by whatever means necessary devotees will be secure from any more pestering by church authorities forever; one is free to bonk and procreate with lusty abandon to build your own personal creation myth with all your spirit-wives.
4.th. The Kingdom of the Devil: Satan is in charge and it's just like Hell. perpetual misery, sweaty and stinky, and there is no time for smoke breaks or jokes and the music is ghastly. *
So the tally of spiritual places one may find oneself are seven.
Most Mormons forget to count pre-existence but according to our ledger pre-existence must count for something, while not heaven, it seems to be a state of suspension with no pain and no performance expectations so in its own way it too is heavenly.
After Mortal Life is finished, there are two purgatories, fast track and slow track.
With the big event, FINAL JUDGMENT, you, as Mormon, will find yourself in one of four slots.
Celestial Kingdom, Terrestial Kingdom, or Telestial Kingdom.
If, After all the waiting, trials and testing you fail to sway the Spirit Testers, you hit the wall and are condemned to Mormon Hell or The Kingdom of the Devil, but you are still a Mormon forever.
From that point all Mormon Spirits exist in a levitating steady state for eternity, but for all the procreation one gets to perform in Mormon Heaven; one is duty bound to populate the Universe with yet more Mormons –– and on and on.

* Mormon Hell: There is no reference to procreation in Mormon Hell but it must be going on behind the Devil's back, or perhaps Satan is entertained by grand copulating heaps of fallen Mormons. It follows, some perverse logic would imply that Lucifer would love to engage in smarmy sex fests with millions of Mormons in Mormon Hell. For certain Satan would love to moderate much discussion on how loopy Mormon Heaven must be, how boring it must be, what with all the singing, courtly ritual, clouds and stuff.
As Mark Twain said, "Heaven is for the climate but Hell is for the company."
It has never been revealed whether Lucifer is a Gentile, just another Fallen Mormon or Jew..

Thaddeus Quella

The Prophet and the Philosopher

A contemporary of Joseph Smith, spoke, after a long dissertation by the prophet –– Joseph spoke of his Religion and its Afterlife. The acquaintance, Mark Twain, listened patiently then said: "Sounds nice but you must know Joe, Heavens is for the climate and Hell is for the Company."

More Mormon Schisms The Mormon Sunstoner verses The Mormon Farmer

Mormon Sunstoner vs Farmer

6/7/08: a comment by gok to Mormon Matters
Gus O. Kahan tried to post a comment on Mormon Matters discussion group but alas the post was censored.
Gus can only conclude that "Natural Men" are exempted from any thinking on MORMON MATTERS. It must be true, "When the Prophets have spoken the thinking has been done."

COMMENT BY: GOK
discussion on Robert Millet and Mormon Matters
yes, I'm GOD ONLY KNOWS, your warm and fuzzy "Natural Man."
I'm what you call a gentile but you even call a Jew a gentile so I'm in good company.
http://www.scari.org/mormon-haplessness.html
I bothered to follow your discussion from Robert Millet and his apologetic discourse on "Speaking of Faith" to your squabbles and shibboleths over how many eyes can peep into a hat to read an Urim Thummim stone. Gosh folks, the veracity of conjecture remains the same –– ambiguous, whether a MORMON Sunstoner or a MORMON Farmer it's all based on deciding whether the miraculous was invested in a kid that, with hormones raging, got the WORD from some angel and then was visited by John the Baptist to indemnify the authenticity of an upstate New Yorker Angel and the magic in the new world between the 1st and 2nd awakenings. The baggage carried forward becomes more and more problematic –– that must be admitted.
http://www.scari.org/Mormons.Undecided.html
It's about Millet and the "Religion Making Business." Mormonism is desperate to move beyond General Joe Smith, his brother and the rest of the gang that printed and minted by Divine Right in the name of Elohim. And there is much more too, Holy Dog Poo.
Folks, look to Robert Millet and ponder his divisive attempt to move into the "Religion Making Business."
Save yourselves, Delight enlighten and convert to Prosperity Theology Evangelism or go back to the Pearl of great price, with warts and all.
ps. When kibitzing about decimal point placement the whole numbers are forgotten; but being a gentile, not elect, excludes me from divine right insight. Perhaps you are reconciling the "Mormon Problem" but where is the decimal point?

GOK

Apostles come in many stripes

Mormon Dharma, Mormons in the Apostolic Penitentiary, Mormon Apostles
Mormons Apostles in waiting, posing on the steps of their meditation cells;
all part of the Mormon Covenant of Mormonism. Early Mormon Devotees
working on their dharma for the sake of Mormon Karma

Mormon Martyr –– Mormon Myth Maker

Joseph Smith, wounded from revised revelations
Mormon Thought is
the Mormon Oxymoron
Learning to let go of Joe: Mormon Intellectuals
are led by their Leading Scholar, Joseph Smith,
the Revelator. So Mormon Intellectuals are significantly infirmed by Mormon Tenants
and Doctrine. For Mormonism, a Mormon Intellectual is, in the purist sense, a Mormon Oxymoron. A Mormon intellectual is an oxyMoroni –– that is, in the trade known as, OxyMoronic Mormonism.

Mormon Nocebo
Counter-Apologetics

Devoted to apologies for counter-apologetic dogma; a space to expose Dogmatological Mormon Doctrine Practice and Rhetoric, a place for Mormon Detractors to find solace; a metaphorical harbor in the storm of feral piety and sycophantic zealotry,
a brief treatise on saving the planet from rampant ignorance for the sake of all mankind, Mormons included, and all the little animals who have fallen under the cursed spell of "our dominion."

Dr. Thaddeous Quella

God's Army, states of grace in that special place
Mormon Thought –– Steps to Mormon
Empowerment, Shock Troops in God's Army

"The Mormon Enemy"

You know the Mormons think of evangelicals as "The Enemy." If Christ would bother to look down upon them, he say, "Go figure, you guys –– I can't tell which from what -- I'm confused. Einy Meany Miney Moe. . . "
He pause, put his index finger to his lips, looking quizzically and he say, "You guys don't have a clue." Then he shrink into that teeny tiny space called heaven –– poof.

It's unfortunate but Mormons believe our earth is only a means to the end,
Mormons War on Terra:
"The Earth is like a rubber ball and will bounce back."

Are you believing too much too often, if so you must be thinking of becoming a Mormon ––  you can be a Mormon too. To believe is to understand. Remember Mormons worry not about the moral hazard of faith.

Side Effects of suffering with nocebo
Meet the Man:
Meet the man responsible for the death of Joseph Smith, William Law
An Interview with William Law:
THE DAILY TRIBUNE: SALT LAKE CITY, SUNDAY MORNING, JULY 31, 1887

Apologetics for killing Joe Smith

William Law recounts: "Joseph Smith having sent Rockwell to kill Governor Boggs. Let me tell you, that Joe Smith, told me the fact himself. The words were substantially like this, "I sent Rockwell to kill Boggs, but he missed him, it was a failure; he wounded him instead of sending him to Hell." Governor Boggs was out of office but revenge smelled sweet for Joe Smith.
The Mormon Assassin, "Rockwell was the lackey of the house. He used to comb and shave Joseph, blackened his boots and drove his carriage. He would have done anything Joe wanted him to do. I never saw a horse or carriage belonging to Rockwell which you say he got from Joseph for the attempt to kill Boggs."
One might conclude, Governor Ford was to take no chances with Mormon Assassins. Ford had promised Missouri's Governor Boggs protection but failed, the attempted murder by Rockwell was revenge by Joe Smith's Plot of assassination for the Mormon War in Missouri.

mormon ziggurat

mormon socialism mission

How to assassinate a General Officer, The killing of Joseph Smith,: Atlantic Monthly, December 1869 Excerpt from Cultures in Conflict by John Hay.

The niggeling details, cosmetics are important for the sacred faith to grow. Cosmetology is vital for a well quaffed
faith to flourish.

Robert Millet is the Mormon Deepthroat

Robert Millet, deceptive theologian, is
training a new generation of Ersatz
Christian Cadre in the Religion making
business of deceptive theology for Mormon
Branders to create a different kind of Jesus.

mormon pundit

Hoping for LIFE BEYOND
Robert Millet. Mormon
phrenology specialist

Millet Reconciliation
The talking head says "No Problem"

Millet has no problem reconciling:
"You already know more about God and Christ and the plan of salvation than anybody who will attack you."
and
"We're in the religion-making business, for a short time, I mean, compared to the Christian church, which has been at this for a couple of millennia. We've really only been about that for 20 or 30 years."

The Trial:
more good works in heaven
Yes, the Mormon Bureaucracy carries on in heaven. And yes you are being watched; the gatekeepers and sacred rituals confirm each step through the mazes of heaven –– long lines for the chosen, lots of waiting, but the wait is part of the test designed to authenticate Perfect Obedience and Mormon Purity of Faith.
There are certificates to be stamped, lists to check and examinations of faith. The trials are designed to confirm solidarity and unquestioning belief in the prophet and his hereafter in the everafter. It's not easy to wend one's way through the seven levels of celestial radiance, long queues, but for "perfect obedience," the rewards are huge in the religion making business.

Gabriel Von Himmel

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Mormon Branding,
On "the Religion Making Business"
One might Ask?

One might ask why pick on the Mormons and that's a fair question.

One might say because, as a metaphor, it's easy. When shaping a short treatise on self deception to model all organized religion why not choose a no brainer . . .
Mormonism is "in the religion making business," just another franchise like Starbucks but without the coffee.
Do the math.

GOK

mormon myth, page 9

heavenly mormon phrenology

Dickensian Tunes
Millet Bangs on the Mormon Organ

Delight Enlighten Convert
A Fellow Mormon Speaks on Millet

Had Robert Millet lived 150 years ago, he might have become a character in a Charles Dickens novel.
Millet assumes that Mormonism is good for everyone. Therefore he is confident that there is no obligation for full disclosure.
Unfortunately, I know from first hand experience that many converts do suffer needlessly when they relate to Mormon truth claims literally. The fact is the more you believe the missionary discussions, the more likely you are going to make irrational decisions.
In some cases that turns out for the better. Most converts melt away. And then there are some that are trying so hard to be good Mormons that the converts get hurt.
If Millet were selling used cars or insurance then he would go to jail. Since he is in religion, he considers his lack of candor virtuous.
Millet has no idea how dangerous his behavior is because he willfully ignores the consequences of his actions. In reality, he is just another salesman with an unhealthy dose of self-righteousness. When people believe him, folks will get hurt.

Comment by Hellmut — March 23, 2007 # 40

The Mormons need new and creative revelations for the
faith to grow
The Mormons need a new and creative revelator for the faith
to grow. If I were a Mormon Myth Maker

If I were interested in working within the Mormon myth making business, the Mormon Paradigm,
I would petition to have the Sacred Book of Mormon altered to reflect its present-day relevance.
I would petition to have all 1381 entries of "And it came to pass" altered to "Once upon a time."
A petition for clarity in the Scared BOM would focus the mind and, hopefully, create more myth for the Mormon Church Myth Makers to make Mormom Myth the Most Correct of all Sacred Revelations.
Like the King James Version Of the Holy Bible translated from Latin, the Book of Mormon could stand a makeover to be understood by the average gentile –– lumpen folk .
A Mormon Scholar can choose precious phrases in the Book of Mormon and extract and insert "Once upon a time" where needed and demonstrated the more correct effect.
A Petition for Change could be taken to the Mormon Quorum for consideration. After all it's merely a slight modification to the text, the sacred content remains intact.
It seems a group of dedicated Ex-Mormons could masterfully insert a Protestant infusion of new blood and help create more traction for more Mormon Religious Traditions. We know the Nicean Conference in 332 A.D. did not take place in a vacuum. More religious tradition is more better in the religiom making business.
The Mormons need new and creative revelators for the faith to grow, why can't Ex-Mormons help out with religious tradition by creating revelations too?
Mormons need a New Latter-day Saint Messiah.
It's been over one hundred sixty years since the Mormon revelations have received a messianic boost. It's time for a Present-day Latter-day saint to burst on the scene to direct doctrine, reveal revelations and define Mormon Market Strategy.
The Mormons need new and creative revelations from a Pubescent Myth Maker to be struck dumb and possessed by revelation. By the majesty of Yahweh or Eloheim or Jehovah or God these things are possible through Divine Right.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints craves a new creator (NeoRevelator) to direct the Religion Making Business beyond the old infirmed Mormon Prophets, like Hyrum and Brigham, even Kimball . It is known through the Melchizedek Priesthood, Mormons have exclusive use of the theologic equivolent of Royal Jelly to smear on Potential Candidate Prophets to grow into fledged and flying prophetic radiance. Religious Tradition must "reveal the New Mormon Prophet for all the world to see -- so it will there for all to see."

Ex-Jew and Ex-Mormon, Stanley U. Goldburg

President Joseph Fielding Smith,
the tenth LDS prophet said:
"Mormonism, as it is called, must stand or fall on the story of Joseph Smith. He was either a prophet of God, divinely called, properly appointed and commissioned, or he was one of the biggest frauds this world has ever seen. There is no middle ground. If Joseph Smith was a deceiver, who willfully attempted to mislead the people, then he should be exposed; his claims should be refuted, and his doctrines shown to be false, for the doctrines of an impostor cannot be made to harmonize in all particulars with divine truth. If his claims and declarations were built upon fraud and deceit, there would appear many errors and contradictions, which would be easy to detect."

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 LDS Bloggernacle Bluster and Buzz
with the usual suspects (9/22/08)

Recent Apologetics postings by Lou Midgley and Dan Peterson in the Mormon Bloggernacle are benign examples of what I mean. I wish there were more discussions on our LDS Psyops and the newly developed LDS, Leaflet Delivery System and its ability to win the hearts and minds of more gentiles. Bickering over Apologetics Strategy is useless when there is a wonderful wide world of gentiles to convert. We must forget about mainstream aspirations and focus on LDS Psyops through our LDS Leaflet Distribution Systems. We need more Predator Drone UAV aircraft for payload delivery.

The future of the church hangs in the balance. Apologetics is a lost cause; it's impossible to explain Mormonism, it must be felt. The Mormon Spirit is fragile and gentiles are so crass; they lack the sensitivity Mormons require for faith to grow, but with our LDS (leaflet delivery system) the full fury of our perception management potential can be realized for more Mormon Converts. We need more UAV, Unmanned Aerial Vehicles and larger UAV, Vehicle-Payloads for better leaflet saturation over target areas. Our future lies in effective use of our Leaflet Distribution Systems.

Barbara Smith Palmer

Gift of Holy Ghostliness
The  Mormon Gift of Revelation

For a drug induced summary:, conjecture on the Mormon Problem, this link will delight, elignten, enliven the discussion on Mormon Apologetics.

http://www.i4m.com/think/history/holy-ghost.htm

Preliminary finding released:
The Divine Right Rite
Keen on Fecundity
The Salient differences between LDS Mormons and Mormon Fundies appears in the fault line between feral piety and domesticated Zealotry.
It's like the Fundaliens had landed from the planet Kolob and a few humans sold out to the Fundaliens and beget Mormolians. These Mormolians, more domesticated than their brethern are like no other species.
They call themselves Mormons and they walk the planet and do what they do to further earn honors (chits) to cart off to other constellations, galaxies, hell, nebulae to propagate a personal strain of Mormon. On this planet deeded to the devotee, religious tradition holds this to be done with one's Spiritual Partner for one to propagate progeny to worship you as their creator -- their God (Mormon Fundies get as many wives as they need to turn this trick) to secure an everafter in the hereafter.
The Sacred, not Secret Fecund Mission: It's a growth industry, it's all about growth, making babies, the mission, prosperity, making more babies; it's the full leap –– to faith (NoSpace Suit Needed) regardless of which Mormon Sect, they are off to worlds beyond with full faith and credit from Joe Smith himself.
In a perfect universe, Evangelicals and Mormons would run off together to another planet to do works of wonder and live to conquer gentiles and save souls alturnatly until they eat eachother up.
Howard Hughes and Richard Nixon found Mormons usful and George Bush carries on this religious tradition. Willing empty vessels are handy here because Mormons live for the Great Cosmic Hereafter filled with sprinkles and glitter and fecundity. Unfortunately, this is not Science Fiction or Scientology, it's Mormonism and "The Earth is like a rubber ball and will bounce back."

Hugo Baltzer

The Salient

The Salient differences between LDS Mormons and Mormon Fundies appears in the faul-line between feral piety and domesticated Zealotry.

Religious Caveat
for Mormon Apostles: Mormon Reservations

A Mormon religious reservation is the ability to reserve the truth when truth might be inconvenient to church and affiliates. Church authorities, armed with clerical reservation can omit, redact or otherwise obfuscate whatever inconvenience it might find to be damaging to the authority of the priesthood. Acting on the malleability of truth allows the elect to endure for the sake of religious authority by lying whenever deemed to be in Mormon self-interest.